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	<link>http://julietchapman.com/blog/2009/11/02/tech-tools-for-artists/</link>
	<description>Musings on the Nature of Art from An Artist in Nature</description>
	<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jul 2010 16:40:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: larry jewett</title>
		<link>http://julietchapman.com/blog/2009/11/02/tech-tools-for-artists/#comment-10171</link>
		<dc:creator>larry jewett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 15:53:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://julietchapman.com/blog/2009/11/02/tech-tools-for-artists/#comment-10171</guid>
		<description>By the way, this shadow stuff seems to come up a lot with conspiracy theories in general.

Much of the so called "evidence' that the moon landings were faked is based on supposed inconsistencies in the shadows present in the photos.

In that case, there is actually an added element (in addition to the fact that humans are not good judges of this stuff) that people sold on the idea of conspiracy ignore (or perhaps are not even aware of): quite significant image distortions by wide angle camera lenses. These are not small distortions, by any means and have to be taken into account when considering (apparent) directions of shadows with respect to a light source.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, this shadow stuff seems to come up a lot with conspiracy theories in general.</p>
<p>Much of the so called &#8220;evidence&#8217; that the moon landings were faked is based on supposed inconsistencies in the shadows present in the photos.</p>
<p>In that case, there is actually an added element (in addition to the fact that humans are not good judges of this stuff) that people sold on the idea of conspiracy ignore (or perhaps are not even aware of): quite significant image distortions by wide angle camera lenses. These are not small distortions, by any means and have to be taken into account when considering (apparent) directions of shadows with respect to a light source.</p>
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		<title>By: larry jewett</title>
		<link>http://julietchapman.com/blog/2009/11/02/tech-tools-for-artists/#comment-10170</link>
		<dc:creator>larry jewett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 15:36:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://julietchapman.com/blog/2009/11/02/tech-tools-for-artists/#comment-10170</guid>
		<description>..that nose shadow threw people off...

The funniest and most ironic thing about this is that people actually think the &lt;i&gt;correct&lt;/i&gt; shadows are wrong in the case of the Oswald photo.

of course, they have a motive for doing so which may be coloring their judgment, so to speak, but the scientist who did the analysis also said the nose shadow threw him.


So perhaps the lesson here is "get the main shadows right, but don't worry about the minor ones too much" because even if they are correct, people may think they are wrong and in that case, better not to have them there at all.


I think it would be interesting to analyze old paintings from the standpoint of shadows to see how many of the old masters actually got the shadows correct and also maybe to see if there are "shadow fingerprints" that might allow you to identify the artists based purely on their shadow technique. 


and by the way, man, you have a good memory. Your workshop is like a dream to me now. 

What was it, '62? (or '63)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>..that nose shadow threw people off&#8230;</p>
<p>The funniest and most ironic thing about this is that people actually think the <i>correct</i> shadows are wrong in the case of the Oswald photo.</p>
<p>of course, they have a motive for doing so which may be coloring their judgment, so to speak, but the scientist who did the analysis also said the nose shadow threw him.</p>
<p>So perhaps the lesson here is &#8220;get the main shadows right, but don&#8217;t worry about the minor ones too much&#8221; because even if they are correct, people may think they are wrong and in that case, better not to have them there at all.</p>
<p>I think it would be interesting to analyze old paintings from the standpoint of shadows to see how many of the old masters actually got the shadows correct and also maybe to see if there are &#8220;shadow fingerprints&#8221; that might allow you to identify the artists based purely on their shadow technique. </p>
<p>and by the way, man, you have a good memory. Your workshop is like a dream to me now. </p>
<p>What was it, &#8216;62? (or &#8216;63)</p>
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		<title>By: Julie Chapman</title>
		<link>http://julietchapman.com/blog/2009/11/02/tech-tools-for-artists/#comment-10056</link>
		<dc:creator>Julie Chapman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 22:34:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://julietchapman.com/blog/2009/11/02/tech-tools-for-artists/#comment-10056</guid>
		<description>Mmm, Larry...in watching this my takeaway was that the shadows were close, but that nose shadow threw people off. When I look at a painting in which the light was 'mixed' (a combination of reference photos, with different angles of light in each), it jumps out at me - both the light differences and the shadow differences.

So, sorry, but you're not off the hook with respect to good, correct shadows and reflections. In fact, IIRC we discussed this in one of your critique pieces ... :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mmm, Larry&#8230;in watching this my takeaway was that the shadows were close, but that nose shadow threw people off. When I look at a painting in which the light was &#8216;mixed&#8217; (a combination of reference photos, with different angles of light in each), it jumps out at me - both the light differences and the shadow differences.</p>
<p>So, sorry, but you&#8217;re not off the hook with respect to good, correct shadows and reflections. In fact, IIRC we discussed this in one of your critique pieces &#8230; <img src='http://julietchapman.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: larry jewett</title>
		<link>http://julietchapman.com/blog/2009/11/02/tech-tools-for-artists/#comment-10015</link>
		<dc:creator>larry jewett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 18:15:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://julietchapman.com/blog/2009/11/02/tech-tools-for-artists/#comment-10015</guid>
		<description>Here's an interesting topic for discussion

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4gw_3nA5G4&#38;feature=player_embedded

The interesting thing from the artistic standpoint is what the scientist (an image expert) says about humans being very bad at judging shadows.

some of us obsess about getting things accurate in our paintings (I know I worry about details like shadows and reflections), but if what he says is true (and there is no reason to doubt it), it does not make all that much difference with regard to "believability" of a painting.

That is actually surprising to me (though i have looked into this stuff enough to know that working out the actual geometries of reflections and shadows can be extremely complicated)

So, now i know that I can just throw in any old shadows and reflections  and no one will be the wiser. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s an interesting topic for discussion</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4gw_3nA5G4&amp;feature=player_embedded" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4gw_3nA5G4&amp;feature=player_embedded</a></p>
<p>The interesting thing from the artistic standpoint is what the scientist (an image expert) says about humans being very bad at judging shadows.</p>
<p>some of us obsess about getting things accurate in our paintings (I know I worry about details like shadows and reflections), but if what he says is true (and there is no reason to doubt it), it does not make all that much difference with regard to &#8220;believability&#8221; of a painting.</p>
<p>That is actually surprising to me (though i have looked into this stuff enough to know that working out the actual geometries of reflections and shadows can be extremely complicated)</p>
<p>So, now i know that I can just throw in any old shadows and reflections  and no one will be the wiser. <img src='http://julietchapman.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: larry jewett</title>
		<link>http://julietchapman.com/blog/2009/11/02/tech-tools-for-artists/#comment-9986</link>
		<dc:creator>larry jewett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 15:22:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://julietchapman.com/blog/2009/11/02/tech-tools-for-artists/#comment-9986</guid>
		<description>Which techno-weenie tool to use is all fine and good, but I think the really important question is

Can your dog do &lt;a href="http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=650_1257390788" rel="nofollow"&gt;this?&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Which techno-weenie tool to use is all fine and good, but I think the really important question is</p>
<p>Can your dog do <a href="http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=650_1257390788" rel="nofollow">this?</a></p>
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		<title>By: Marti Millington</title>
		<link>http://julietchapman.com/blog/2009/11/02/tech-tools-for-artists/#comment-9976</link>
		<dc:creator>Marti Millington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 04:40:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://julietchapman.com/blog/2009/11/02/tech-tools-for-artists/#comment-9976</guid>
		<description>Julie: I would love to be able to photograph my own work, but alas, I haven't the room or the lighting. If it is a lovely day outside, I can set up my tripod and fire away on the deck; otherwise Kevin does amazing things in his studio while I "supervise" (grin). I also have the luxury of my son being so adept at all those programs - so I just email Kevin's image and he works his magic!  

Susan and all - eArtist3 is available for Mac too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Julie: I would love to be able to photograph my own work, but alas, I haven&#8217;t the room or the lighting. If it is a lovely day outside, I can set up my tripod and fire away on the deck; otherwise Kevin does amazing things in his studio while I &#8220;supervise&#8221; (grin). I also have the luxury of my son being so adept at all those programs - so I just email Kevin&#8217;s image and he works his magic!  </p>
<p>Susan and all - eArtist3 is available for Mac too.</p>
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		<title>By: Julie Chapman</title>
		<link>http://julietchapman.com/blog/2009/11/02/tech-tools-for-artists/#comment-9974</link>
		<dc:creator>Julie Chapman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 03:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://julietchapman.com/blog/2009/11/02/tech-tools-for-artists/#comment-9974</guid>
		<description>This is great - I get to learn from all of you! I'll have to try the Flick tool.

Marti, I photograph all my paintings myself (except for the super duper high res - the 100+ MB files I need for full size prints, which I go to a professional to do). Believe me, it's incredibly handy to be able to photograph a piece and run it through Photoshop and send an image off to a gallery (or post to my blog here, or to Facebook, or to my website, or a magazine, or...the list goes on). I can't imagine not having that speed and control myself. But then, I'm pretty type A (= anal retentive control freak, IOTW). 

I need so many variations of sizes and resolutions on any given image that PS or PS Elements is a must.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is great - I get to learn from all of you! I&#8217;ll have to try the Flick tool.</p>
<p>Marti, I photograph all my paintings myself (except for the super duper high res - the 100+ MB files I need for full size prints, which I go to a professional to do). Believe me, it&#8217;s incredibly handy to be able to photograph a piece and run it through Photoshop and send an image off to a gallery (or post to my blog here, or to Facebook, or to my website, or a magazine, or&#8230;the list goes on). I can&#8217;t imagine not having that speed and control myself. But then, I&#8217;m pretty type A (= anal retentive control freak, IOTW). </p>
<p>I need so many variations of sizes and resolutions on any given image that PS or PS Elements is a must.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan Fox</title>
		<link>http://julietchapman.com/blog/2009/11/02/tech-tools-for-artists/#comment-9957</link>
		<dc:creator>Susan Fox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 13:58:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://julietchapman.com/blog/2009/11/02/tech-tools-for-artists/#comment-9957</guid>
		<description>I'm with Marti. I really, really dis-liked the Working Artist interface. Very visually cluttered to my eye. And then the developer announced they were quitting. From what Cheryl says, they obviously found someone good to carry on.

But when I switched to a Mac it became academic since, at least two years ago, they didn't have a Mac version. Flick! has a really clean professional interface and costs all of.....$29.95 (they're Australian not Kiwi, oops)

http://www.arawak.com.au/flick.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with Marti. I really, really dis-liked the Working Artist interface. Very visually cluttered to my eye. And then the developer announced they were quitting. From what Cheryl says, they obviously found someone good to carry on.</p>
<p>But when I switched to a Mac it became academic since, at least two years ago, they didn&#8217;t have a Mac version. Flick! has a really clean professional interface and costs all of&#8230;..$29.95 (they&#8217;re Australian not Kiwi, oops)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.arawak.com.au/flick.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.arawak.com.au/flick.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Marti Millington</title>
		<link>http://julietchapman.com/blog/2009/11/02/tech-tools-for-artists/#comment-9949</link>
		<dc:creator>Marti Millington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 05:22:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://julietchapman.com/blog/2009/11/02/tech-tools-for-artists/#comment-9949</guid>
		<description>I tried Working Artist but didn't care for the interface. But, admittedly, I was already into eArtist 3 and it was working for me. It is only $125 and has everything - including contact management, etc. 

If I ever move west (someday hopefully), I will have to switch to Verizon. Sprint does not seem to work anywhere out there - was in Colorado and the only people able to use their cell were those with Verizon.

As for the photo conversion, my photographer saves my images in 3 formats - rgb, cmyk and raw so I have what I need. If I take a photo myself, I send it to my son who has all the "toys" and knows how to do what I need done. (He's the art director for an outdoor magazine publisher.) :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tried Working Artist but didn&#8217;t care for the interface. But, admittedly, I was already into eArtist 3 and it was working for me. It is only $125 and has everything - including contact management, etc. </p>
<p>If I ever move west (someday hopefully), I will have to switch to Verizon. Sprint does not seem to work anywhere out there - was in Colorado and the only people able to use their cell were those with Verizon.</p>
<p>As for the photo conversion, my photographer saves my images in 3 formats - rgb, cmyk and raw so I have what I need. If I take a photo myself, I send it to my son who has all the &#8220;toys&#8221; and knows how to do what I need done. (He&#8217;s the art director for an outdoor magazine publisher.) <img src='http://julietchapman.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Cheryl Renee Long</title>
		<link>http://julietchapman.com/blog/2009/11/02/tech-tools-for-artists/#comment-9948</link>
		<dc:creator>Cheryl Renee Long</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 04:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://julietchapman.com/blog/2009/11/02/tech-tools-for-artists/#comment-9948</guid>
		<description>Hi Julie,
I have been using Working Artist as my art database program for several years now. It is inexpensive to purchase - $114.00 with free upgrades. They are based in Olympia, WA, very good to work with and always improving. I cannot say enough postive about them. Cheryl Renee Long</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Julie,<br />
I have been using Working Artist as my art database program for several years now. It is inexpensive to purchase - $114.00 with free upgrades. They are based in Olympia, WA, very good to work with and always improving. I cannot say enough postive about them. Cheryl Renee Long</p>
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