Comments on: Losing Control http://julietchapman.com/blog/2009/06/11/losing-control/ Musings on the Nature of Art from An Artist in Nature Sat, 31 Jul 2010 16:39:27 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.2 By: Bark Off for Dogs http://julietchapman.com/blog/2009/06/11/losing-control/#comment-18983 Bark Off for Dogs Mon, 26 Jul 2010 17:10:43 +0000 http://julietchapman.com/blog/2009/06/11/losing-control/#comment-18983 As a brand new dog owner I appreciate all the ideas in this article. I want my furry friend to get well trained and have a wholesome environment to live in. Many thanks for the information. As a brand new dog owner I appreciate all the ideas in this article. I want my furry friend to get well trained and have a wholesome environment to live in. Many thanks for the information.

]]> By: Jimmie Yarnell http://julietchapman.com/blog/2009/06/11/losing-control/#comment-5538 Jimmie Yarnell Thu, 02 Jul 2009 02:54:28 +0000 http://julietchapman.com/blog/2009/06/11/losing-control/#comment-5538 Hello Julie I really like the change in the background, the texture is second to the Chocolate browns and more....great break from the Purples and Oranges.I miss the wildlife but understand the need in new ideas. I have been making Native American flutes for a year or so, a new wood inspires me when I have been doing to many Cedar flutes. You are still the best , say hello to Paul. jimmie Y. Hello Julie
I really like the change in the background, the texture is second to the Chocolate browns and more….great break from the Purples and Oranges.I miss the wildlife but understand the need in new ideas.
I have been making Native American flutes for a year or so, a new wood inspires me when I have been doing to many Cedar flutes. You are still the best , say hello to Paul.

jimmie Y.

]]> By: Julie Chapman http://julietchapman.com/blog/2009/06/11/losing-control/#comment-4895 Julie Chapman Fri, 19 Jun 2009 19:19:10 +0000 http://julietchapman.com/blog/2009/06/11/losing-control/#comment-4895 GREAT quote from Churchill!!! So perfect and true. And when I have time I'll go check out the training thread. Right now, I'm busy getting my 5 year old GSD girl ready to show in Open obedience this weekend...then back to agility. And even busier with my new puppy - so much foundation to teach! I'm pretty sure civil discourse hurts a lot less than name-calling...unless actually thinking about all perspectives on a topic hurts one's brain. In which case, name-calling is definitely easier. GREAT quote from Churchill!!! So perfect and true.

And when I have time I’ll go check out the training thread. Right now, I’m busy getting my 5 year old GSD girl ready to show in Open obedience this weekend…then back to agility. And even busier with my new puppy - so much foundation to teach!

I’m pretty sure civil discourse hurts a lot less than name-calling…unless actually thinking about all perspectives on a topic hurts one’s brain. In which case, name-calling is definitely easier.

]]> By: Susan Fox http://julietchapman.com/blog/2009/06/11/losing-control/#comment-4855 Susan Fox Fri, 19 Jun 2009 00:49:47 +0000 http://julietchapman.com/blog/2009/06/11/losing-control/#comment-4855 Pet Connection post with training comment thread: http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2009/06/16/theyll-always-be-my-babies-but-theyre-happy-in-their-new-homes/#comment-459668 They're at 95 comments and counting. It will probably go over 100. Those guys really know how to turn a topic inside out and upside down. Re your comment about black and white thinking- a favorite quote from Churchill: "A fanatic is someone who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." Civil discourse in this country. Now there's a concept. I like it. Let's try it. Can't hurt too much. Oh, yeah ;-), the painting. Crazy cool work with the edges while still holding the form of the horse. I like the color shifts too. Pet Connection post with training comment thread:
http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2009/06/16/theyll-always-be-my-babies-but-theyre-happy-in-their-new-homes/#comment-459668

They’re at 95 comments and counting. It will probably go over 100. Those guys really know how to turn a topic inside out and upside down.

Re your comment about black and white thinking- a favorite quote from Churchill: “A fanatic is someone who can’t change his mind and won’t change the subject.”

Civil discourse in this country. Now there’s a concept. I like it. Let’s try it. Can’t hurt too much.

Oh, yeah ;-), the painting. Crazy cool work with the edges while still holding the form of the horse. I like the color shifts too.

]]> By: Julie Chapman http://julietchapman.com/blog/2009/06/11/losing-control/#comment-4840 Julie Chapman Thu, 18 Jun 2009 16:36:34 +0000 http://julietchapman.com/blog/2009/06/11/losing-control/#comment-4840 > the title of your post “control” applies to the sidetracked discussion as well. ...LOL...yep. But hey - a good lively discussion can provide excellent food for thought. Better that than standing on either side of a divide and hurling vitriol at each other, and never actually engaging in civil discourse that might offer fresh perspective for all parties. Those who engage in black-and-white thinking and name-calling (PETA, terrorists, etc.) seem unable to do this. > the title of your post “control” applies to the sidetracked discussion as well.
…LOL…yep. But hey - a good lively discussion can provide excellent food for thought. Better that than standing on either side of a divide and hurling vitriol at each other, and never actually engaging in civil discourse that might offer fresh perspective for all parties. Those who engage in black-and-white thinking and name-calling (PETA, terrorists, etc.) seem unable to do this.

]]> By: Larry Jewett http://julietchapman.com/blog/2009/06/11/losing-control/#comment-4835 Larry Jewett Thu, 18 Jun 2009 14:21:14 +0000 http://julietchapman.com/blog/2009/06/11/losing-control/#comment-4835 Susan said: <blockquote>"On my blog is a photo, since we’re naming names, of a baby bear at Triple D licking itself after being allowed to repeatedly contact a hot wire. It cried in pain every time. The keeper also hit, although he called it “cuffed”, the cub two or three times. I don’t consider either of these things to be within the realm of acceptable “training” methods for any animal.</blockquote> Susan, I would agree that that is <b>not</b> acceptable. As I indicated above, my exposure to triple D was very limited and I certainly saw none of that while i was there. But given what Julie posted in rersponse ("that particular trainer is no longer at Triple D - let go for his treatment of the animals."), I still think my first impression of Triple D is probably pretty accurate: that they are concerned for the welfare of the animals. I think this actually points out one of the problems with what amounts to broad brush characterization of game farm treatment of animals based on a few samples. Not only might they not be representative, but worse, they miss the context: eg, that that trainer was let go by Triple D. Regardless of where one stands on the issue of the "morality" to keep "wild" animals in captivity, I think one has to be very careful about selectively representation. It is really not fair to those running these farms who <i>do</i> have a concern for the animals in their care. Julie, ironically, the title of your post "control" applies to the sidetracked discussion as well. :) Susan said:
“On my blog is a photo, since we’re naming names, of a baby bear at Triple D licking itself after being allowed to repeatedly contact a hot wire. It cried in pain every time. The keeper also hit, although he called it “cuffed”, the cub two or three times. I don’t consider either of these things to be within the realm of acceptable “training” methods for any animal.

Susan, I would agree that that is not acceptable.

As I indicated above, my exposure to triple D was very limited and I certainly saw none of that while i was there.

But given what Julie posted in rersponse (”that particular trainer is no longer at Triple D - let go for his treatment of the animals.”), I still think my first impression of Triple D is probably pretty accurate: that they are concerned for the welfare of the animals.

I think this actually points out one of the problems with what amounts to broad brush characterization of game farm treatment of animals based on a few samples. Not only might they not be representative, but worse, they miss the context: eg, that that trainer was let go by Triple D.

Regardless of where one stands on the issue of the “morality” to keep “wild” animals in captivity, I think one has to be very careful about selectively representation. It is really not fair to those running these farms who do have a concern for the animals in their care.

Julie, ironically, the title of your post “control” applies to the sidetracked discussion as well. :)

]]> By: Julie Chapman http://julietchapman.com/blog/2009/06/11/losing-control/#comment-4808 Julie Chapman Thu, 18 Jun 2009 02:22:30 +0000 http://julietchapman.com/blog/2009/06/11/losing-control/#comment-4808 Susan, I checked out the Pet Connection site (very nice! didn't know about it - plus my minimal browsing showed me the folks running it are experienced and level-headed) but haven't found the training discussion, despite a little searching. Topic title is...? Kathy, thank you for bringing us back around to the original post - and for your very kind words! I can so easily fall into too much control of my brushwork, and when I do I'm usually unhappy with the results...hence this experiment. There's another in the same vein on my easel right now - also very satisfying. Again - your positive comments are much appreciated! Susan, I checked out the Pet Connection site (very nice! didn’t know about it - plus my minimal browsing showed me the folks running it are experienced and level-headed) but haven’t found the training discussion, despite a little searching. Topic title is…?

Kathy, thank you for bringing us back around to the original post - and for your very kind words! I can so easily fall into too much control of my brushwork, and when I do I’m usually unhappy with the results…hence this experiment. There’s another in the same vein on my easel right now - also very satisfying. Again - your positive comments are much appreciated!

]]> By: Kathy Cencula http://julietchapman.com/blog/2009/06/11/losing-control/#comment-4801 Kathy Cencula Thu, 18 Jun 2009 00:39:29 +0000 http://julietchapman.com/blog/2009/06/11/losing-control/#comment-4801 just found your blogsite thru surfing so I'm not a familiar 'voice' in your blog, but would love to comment. I have my thoughts on the game farms also, but I think it was pretty well discussed and I agree with the majority of the thought on this topic. I wanted to comment on the original blog statement - that of your loose painting "Bareback Paint". I checked out the full size image. I love your work. My style is very controlled, but I admire loose painters when done well, and yours of course, is. You can feel the emotion and the movement thru your brushstrokes and color. I love color also. I have always been an admirer of your art. One of my other favorites of yours is "Wet Bear #5". I think you should be pretty damned pleased. well done! just found your blogsite thru surfing so I’m not a familiar ‘voice’ in your blog, but would love to comment.
I have my thoughts on the game farms also, but I think it was pretty well discussed and I agree with the majority of the thought on this topic.
I wanted to comment on the original blog statement - that of your loose painting “Bareback Paint”. I checked out the full size image. I love your work. My style is very controlled, but I admire loose painters when done well, and yours of course, is.
You can feel the emotion and the movement thru your brushstrokes and color. I love color also. I have always been an admirer of your art.
One of my other favorites of yours is “Wet Bear #5″.
I think you should be pretty damned pleased. well done!

]]> By: Susan Fox http://julietchapman.com/blog/2009/06/11/losing-control/#comment-4799 Susan Fox Wed, 17 Jun 2009 22:56:32 +0000 http://julietchapman.com/blog/2009/06/11/losing-control/#comment-4799 Glad to hear it. I think he had real issues that the animals didn't need to be exposed to. I will note that on my blog post right away. Training: that "war" is going on right now over at Pet Connnection big time. 50+ comments and counting (we should be so lucky). One of the commenters I most respect, HHoulahan, says the same thing you do for the same reasons. And I agree with both of you. Glad to hear it. I think he had real issues that the animals didn’t need to be exposed to. I will note that on my blog post right away.

Training: that “war” is going on right now over at Pet Connnection big time. 50+ comments and counting (we should be so lucky). One of the commenters I most respect, HHoulahan, says the same thing you do for the same reasons. And I agree with both of you.

]]> By: Julie Chapman http://julietchapman.com/blog/2009/06/11/losing-control/#comment-4795 Julie Chapman Wed, 17 Jun 2009 21:48:29 +0000 http://julietchapman.com/blog/2009/06/11/losing-control/#comment-4795 Susan, that particular trainer is no longer at Triple D - let go for his treatment of the animals. The rest of this can become a religious war. I respect your position and Mangelsen's, and the thought you've given your choices. As for training, e-collars, etc: those are also often religious war issues (I belong to several dog training lists related to obedience and agility, and I've seen the wars happen). Since I train high-energy, high-prey-drive working dogs - with mostly operant conditioning - I believe that most training tools are just that: tools. Any can be used well. Any can be misused horribly. Susan, that particular trainer is no longer at Triple D - let go for his treatment of the animals.

The rest of this can become a religious war. I respect your position and Mangelsen’s, and the thought you’ve given your choices.

As for training, e-collars, etc: those are also often religious war issues (I belong to several dog training lists related to obedience and agility, and I’ve seen the wars happen). Since I train high-energy, high-prey-drive working dogs - with mostly operant conditioning - I believe that most training tools are just that: tools. Any can be used well. Any can be misused horribly.

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